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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptics earned podcast

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episode number 529 for the 9th of

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December 2018

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richardsaunders here with you from

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Sydney Australia now thank you to all

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those people who've been enquiring about

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my health I'm almost better almost

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completely better I had the flu

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bronchitis cold who knows a mixture of

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things knock me out for a little while

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knock me about but I'm almost completely

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back on deck coming up on this week's

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more from Manor this week may not speaks

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to Kari poppy from the oh no Ross and

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Carrie podcast Carrie was a guest here

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in Sydney last month that skeptic on the

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Australian skeptics national convention

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Carrie's gonna be talking about drinking

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her own urine hmm maximum fun podcasts

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cryotherapy and adventures in making the

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Ross and Carrie podcast following that

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it's skeptics in the pub where I take

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over the job of Maynard Maynard couldn't

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make skeptics in the pub this time

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around so I interview pub goers and ask

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them about what sort of podcast they

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would like to hear what other issues out

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there could be covered by podcasts and

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I'm delighted to say they'll quite a lot

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of new time first time pub goers at

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Sydney skeptics in the pub just the

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other night following that it's the raw

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sceptic Heidi Robinson with an update an

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update via a media release about the

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vaccination rates generally here in

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Australia and the news is good despite

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the concerted efforts of the anti

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vaccine rabble the vaccination rates in

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Australia are improving and then to

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round off the show a silly season report

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a crazy report about the earthquake

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mystic as a man who claims he can

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predict earthquakes

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yes spend each month with Maynard that's

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enough from me I'm going to well I'm

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downstairs at the moment I'm recording

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in a different part of the studio it's

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probably why you can just about hear a

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clock ticking which you normally can't

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the cat half asleep down behind me I'm

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gonna run over to the kitchen make

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myself some ginger tea which is always

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look we're going into these special

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Richard so how was it Richard Saunders

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out there I mean I died I was horrible

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but Kari was she was you won wonderful

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someone picked people goodness shimmer

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there queue up on a mistake immediately

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you spelt Loch Ness LOC K there probably

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was there oh just a comfy seat there

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don't put the awkward seat here yes I'm

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here would the wonderful Carrie puppet

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for oh no Ross and Carrie are there look

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those of the show that came out last

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soaking feet in urine again it was the

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certainly the grossest yeah and like

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what what why this one because it is did

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you get to some patreon goal or

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a network called maximum fun and so

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every year we do a fundraiser where what

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about war films and before you go

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special significance he was in Kelly's

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heroes he was in run silent run deep and

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googly eyed guy in a war film oh I'm

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the gym and it was the cryogenic some

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skeptical of the policies around these

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one level if it is natural and we know

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necessary that's true and what's rust

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name and I never noticed until some

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while he started being like no you're

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show how does that work oh they just

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website so all almost all the shows on

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max fun except Jumbotrons and you pay a

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small bit of money and you can say you

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know say happy birthday to my husband or

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whatever you had a marriage proposal on

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your show now how has that gone as the

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wedding happened is that as they were

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divorced in the works

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time it's not even if M radio I mean oh

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my gosh yes that was so wonderful it was

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my dream that someone would propose on

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the show and so he actually he wrote to

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us and said okay I'm planning this whole

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thing I I don't want her to hear the

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episode with me outside the room

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obviously so we had to time it with him

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day and everything but he took a video

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of her listening to it

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accepting the proposal did you claim she

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didn't scream she kind of froze with a

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big grin on her face watching it and

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then it was really funny he left to the

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camera on a little too long so there was

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a pretty long makeout session at the end

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of the video and so Ross and I were

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watching it like oh alright

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push stop and tell me I'm there was that

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that really creepy time your head you

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said you have never really felt in

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danger except you you had a danger off

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the pass once you've been taken to some

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strange places by some strange people

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once and I've got to say look how many

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podcasts do people put themselves

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physically in danger for and take their

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time and their effort but you you feel a

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bit creepy at this one time yeah I think

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you're talking about Tony Alamo

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Christian ministries so this is a cult

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that Emma and I'm used the word cult

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carefully here it genuinely is one run

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by a man who was in prison for taking

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underage Brides so he was eventually

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arrested basically for child rape and

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the people who follow him are very

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devout and had committed assaults in his

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name I mean just yeah some some pretty

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dangerous belief here so when we showed

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up we knew okay this is this is a little

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on the edge here but we we were willing

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to take the risk and then we started

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discovering every place they were taking

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us to we couldn't get cell reception and

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we were kind of in the mountains and our

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partners were getting really worried and

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we said okay you know we've got the

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story we don't need to continue scaring

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everybody

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so nothing creepy actually happened you

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just thought we've just done enough of

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going down yeah the yeah I mean creepy

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things would happen but they weren't

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happening to us really like we had

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dinner with this one couple who we knew

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from our research that their daughter

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had been one of the underage brides and

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had gotten out and as we were talking to

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them she came up and we didn't want to

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give away that we knew too much so we're

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just letting them tell the story and

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they got this very vacants

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look in their eyes and said oh well you

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know our daughter was a liar and you

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know it was just it felt very inhuman to

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talk to these parents who had been sort

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of brainwashed into just owning their

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daughter and yeah so it would it was

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very creepy but I can't say that there

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was some immediate threat to our safety

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there was a bit to safety because you

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had some flat earth pizza at one stage

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as well when you first got into the

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whole flat of a thing because where

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would you just up mean a pizza

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restaurant is a good place to discuss it

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and that is really blown out - something

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- what do you think the flat earth is

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I've spoken in the UK they tend to be a

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bit David Icke ish and they seem to be a

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bit religious what's a flat what's

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driving the flat other thing in the u.s.

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well they will tell you that it is not a

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religious thing not yes but I would say

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99% of them are fundamentalist

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Christians so I do think that's probably

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at the center of it for most of them but

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not all that I have met a couple who

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were irreligious and for them it's just

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sort of a they feel like they're

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thinking outside the box and that being

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sceptical yes yes and that you know they

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trust their own eyes and the fact that

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you've been fed this misinformation and

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not questioned it that says something

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about you I think a lot of that comes

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down to science education we don't have

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the greatest science education and the

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public schools in the US and they've

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probably been failed really and you had

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mark Sargent on your show and he he's a

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the artists had a good spokesman for the

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flat earth because he pretty much stakes

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his state's his case and he's willing to

339
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give a bit of an argument so I would

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recommend Mac Sargent on owner Ross and

341
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Carrie that's a good show to listen to

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because it sums up the flat earth stuff

343
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because when you're out there in the

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field with the people I was so

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frustrated it was like ah just get this

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over with you people just do it and was

347
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think I want to argue didn't know even

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when the experiment was not going their

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way yeah and you know that goes in both

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directions everyone comes out there you

351
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know trying to prove their point of view

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and certainly the people who believe the

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earth is round we're doing the same

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thing you know but you know this this

355
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openness to being proven wrong that's a

356
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hard thing to adopt no matter who you

357
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are it was actually Ross who went out

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with them

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that Flat Earth experiment I wasn't

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there I had to be with our lawyer for a

361
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whole other reason but drinks yes so it

362
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it certainly can be frustrating I I

363
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don't know why I have a pretty high

364
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threshold for that sort of thing so when

365
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we were talking to mark Sargent when we

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were talking to Jaron another flat

367
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earther I I find it kind of

368
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intellectually frustrating but I don't

369
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get that feeling I think I instead I'm

370
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able to feel sort of delight at oh look

371
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at the human minds my god no wonder and

372
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look you are out there doing the buzz

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word which was paranormal in the great

374
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bizarre cryptids ghosties oh my you are

375
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looking at there some classic paranormal

376
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stuff what were you there mainly for

377
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you've got much experience in the ghosts

378
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you watch your main area oh well so you

379
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know Ross and I embed ourselves in all

380
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sorts of extraordinary claims and we're

381
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pretty broad about it I wouldn't say

382
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that we have one particular thing we do

383
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though I think the thing we're best

384
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known for is our spiritual

385
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investigations embedding ourselves in

386
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Mormonism and Scientology in the

387
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self-realization fellowship and these

388
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spiritual groups and I do like to think

389
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about how spiritual claims are connected

390
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to other paranormal claims I think that

391
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sometimes we take for granted that

392
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connection so yeah but I guess you'd

393
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have to ask Richard why he picked me

394
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well you obviously represented out there

395
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mm-hmm how about Ross and Carrie how

396
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about Ross wears a kilt one day that I

397
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mean that that could be a cure a kilt

398
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wearing thing is that something kind

399
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thing he might do on the show if he's

400
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drinking his own urine wearing a kilt

401
00:16:37,530 --> 00:16:35,649
should be pretty easy I don't wear a

402
00:16:40,259 --> 00:16:37,540
kilt around Li Ford I see what happens

403
00:16:43,619 --> 00:16:40,269
oh yeah I mean listen I don't think he'd

404
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:43,629
have any objection but usually our

405
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standard is is there an extraordinary

406
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claim at the center and I'm sure there

407
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is one for Celt kilt

408
00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:52,710
good is there one that you'd like to do

409
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that you don't think you'll ever get to

410
00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:55,890
do because of its difficulty oh great

411
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question today because of the few that

412
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are that I were while the drinking

413
00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:00,240
you're on yes you can do that but I'm

414
00:17:02,990 --> 00:17:01,290
just trying is there something that's

415
00:17:04,670 --> 00:17:03,000
either too expensive to do or you have

416
00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:04,680
to travel too much what's the one that

417
00:17:09,050 --> 00:17:06,090
is a really bit out of your reach at the

418
00:17:10,430 --> 00:17:09,060
moment um see this is tough because we

419
00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:10,440
try to be secret about our investigation

420
00:17:14,450 --> 00:17:12,510
so I'm immediately thinking well what if

421
00:17:17,390 --> 00:17:14,460
we get to do it but okay I'll throw this

422
00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:17,400
one out there I would really love to go

423
00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:19,770
visit John of God who is a faith healer

424
00:17:26,830 --> 00:17:23,130
in South America and that tends to be

425
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dangerous to it it might be it might be

426
00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:29,940
but it's he's really out in the middle

427
00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:33,710
of nowhere and as he lay on hands and

428
00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:36,570
yeah there's a there's a variety of

429
00:17:40,460 --> 00:17:38,310
things once you get there they do give

430
00:17:42,140 --> 00:17:40,470
you a herbal remedies and things like

431
00:17:45,290 --> 00:17:42,150
that but then you just try to get in his

432
00:17:48,290 --> 00:17:45,300
presence and his aura heals you and

433
00:17:52,490 --> 00:17:48,300
people go there for cancer people go

434
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:52,500
there for HIV I mean it's it's yeah it's

435
00:17:56,750 --> 00:17:55,050
quite suspicious and so we've we've

436
00:17:59,060 --> 00:17:56,760
wanted to go there a while we thought we

437
00:18:01,070 --> 00:17:59,070
had a donor on the line for that

438
00:18:03,140 --> 00:18:01,080
investigation that and then that fell

439
00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:03,150
through and so yeah that that one's a

440
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:04,890
little bit out of our reach but maybe

441
00:18:10,490 --> 00:18:08,880
someone listening to this will what

442
00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:10,500
about that guy who heals with these

443
00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:13,260
loving gaze as a guy who gazes very

444
00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:15,450
slowly across the room have you have you

445
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:18,330
done him you know no I think that yet

446
00:18:20,930 --> 00:18:19,440
brought it yeah because he came to

447
00:18:23,660 --> 00:18:20,940
Australia engaged in everybody and I

448
00:18:25,310 --> 00:18:23,670
just think it's cut that is the perfect

449
00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:25,320
it's cuz you don't have to do anything

450
00:18:29,030 --> 00:18:27,360
he was gonna come in smile and be nice

451
00:18:33,470 --> 00:18:29,040
for like a couple of minutes and then

452
00:18:35,870 --> 00:18:33,480
you know what a gig yeah I saw him when

453
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he was in Austria I was there for their

454
00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:39,510
TED conference in Austria in Vienna the

455
00:18:43,850 --> 00:18:41,490
very week he was there and I thought oh

456
00:18:46,970 --> 00:18:43,860
my gosh oh you know to perfect to not go

457
00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:46,980
he heals with his healing loving gaze

458
00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:50,550
how does it actually work I mean it

459
00:18:57,670 --> 00:18:55,170
doesn't is that Alright yeah he just

460
00:19:00,770 --> 00:18:57,680
when he looks across you it has this

461
00:19:03,170 --> 00:19:00,780
spiritually healing power and

462
00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:03,180
also apparently his this is very

463
00:19:07,250 --> 00:19:04,020
interesting to me

464
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:07,260
his voice supposedly has a healing power

465
00:19:15,230 --> 00:19:13,200
but he doesn't speak the fans of Get

466
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:15,240
Smart think of this guy as a real-life

467
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:17,280
version of Simon the likable on an

468
00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:19,170
episode of Get Smart there was a guy

469
00:19:23,330 --> 00:19:21,450
that was just so nice and people could

470
00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:23,340
not do anything to him they just liked

471
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him Simon the likable and get smart this

472
00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:27,450
is what this guys doing yeah kind of

473
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:29,910
yeah he just looks out over the crowd

474
00:19:34,940 --> 00:19:32,970
and smiles and and it's not even a big

475
00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:34,950
grin it's just sort of a sublime

476
00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:37,710
peaceful look and he does it for about 3

477
00:19:43,340 --> 00:19:39,810
to 6 minutes every healing and there

478
00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:43,350
will be maybe 200 250 people in the room

479
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and then he leaves what a gig ok I know

480
00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:48,180
any travels the world doing that does he

481
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:49,860
have a warm up guy that just smirks at

482
00:19:57,620 --> 00:19:54,810
people you know he does have this group

483
00:19:59,840 --> 00:19:57,630
of mostly young beautiful women who

484
00:20:01,880 --> 00:19:59,850
introduce him I don't remember them

485
00:20:02,990 --> 00:20:01,890
particularly gazing at us though okay

486
00:20:04,850 --> 00:20:03,000
right cuz I thought yet because you have

487
00:20:06,350 --> 00:20:04,860
someone who's not as good at gazar as

488
00:20:09,410 --> 00:20:06,360
him and then when he comes on they go

489
00:20:10,790 --> 00:20:09,420
out that guy's world class gazing you

490
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:10,800
know what's interesting about brats are

491
00:20:14,990 --> 00:20:12,330
though if you listen to the episodes we

492
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:15,000
dig into his past and his past is pretty

493
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:18,480
checkered what as in other sort of

494
00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:22,170
falsehoods oh well one could make the

495
00:20:27,650 --> 00:20:25,860
arguments that he was present for a very

496
00:20:30,650 --> 00:20:27,660
suspicious death of which he was the

497
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:30,660
only witness Wow okay mm-hmm

498
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:37,050
the Pope not his former guru or the

499
00:20:41,030 --> 00:20:38,970
person that he sort of inherited his

500
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,040
following from died in a very mysterious

501
00:20:44,690 --> 00:20:42,960
way with only brought some present

502
00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:44,700
mm-hmm that is great it's been great

503
00:20:49,460 --> 00:20:47,070
meeting you here I met you first at Tam

504
00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:49,470
in Las Vegas many years ago and you guys

505
00:20:52,670 --> 00:20:51,510
have just been powering on and back then

506
00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:52,680
you weren't doing the show every week

507
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:54,510
now you're doing it every week oh no

508
00:20:58,010 --> 00:20:56,010
Ross and Carrie go have a listen to it

509
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:58,020
that's cool how come you and Ross

510
00:21:01,910 --> 00:21:00,000
haven't gotten over this by now because

511
00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:01,920
I must explain they go to the whole

512
00:21:05,390 --> 00:21:03,510
seminar they just don't go for five

513
00:21:07,310 --> 00:21:05,400
minutes tape it and come back they go to

514
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:07,320
all the Scientology things I had to go

515
00:21:11,780 --> 00:21:09,930
to you spend a lot of time and certain

516
00:21:13,470 --> 00:21:11,790
to do money invested in doing this show

517
00:21:17,159 --> 00:21:13,480
when you guys are going to get

518
00:21:18,990 --> 00:21:17,169
the gutful of it hopefully never I don't

519
00:21:20,519 --> 00:21:19,000
know I mean we picked these topics

520
00:21:23,850 --> 00:21:20,529
because we're fascinated by them and

521
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:23,860
we're kind of delighted by them if we

522
00:21:29,310 --> 00:21:26,080
didn't find it fun it would be drudgery

523
00:21:30,899 --> 00:21:29,320
but we do think this would translate to

524
00:21:32,490 --> 00:21:30,909
if you could get the footage it would

525
00:21:33,659 --> 00:21:32,500
translate well to reality show because

526
00:21:35,009 --> 00:21:33,669
you have a little bit of footage of you

527
00:21:36,450 --> 00:21:35,019
guys doing it then the two of you could

528
00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:36,460
be sitting arguing about the whole thing

529
00:21:40,019 --> 00:21:38,710
as you do to a certain extent have you

530
00:21:41,460 --> 00:21:40,029
ever tried to give that a go but I guess

531
00:21:44,250 --> 00:21:41,470
filming it would it's a whole new

532
00:21:47,490 --> 00:21:44,260
dimension of legal stuff you have to do

533
00:21:49,740 --> 00:21:47,500
isn't it yep so probably twice a month

534
00:21:51,899 --> 00:21:49,750
we hear from a TV producer who wants to

535
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:51,909
turn our show into a TV show and every

536
00:21:57,690 --> 00:21:54,250
single time we say well here's the thing

537
00:21:59,820 --> 00:21:57,700
I think the strength of our show is the

538
00:22:04,110 --> 00:21:59,830
undercover aspect that's what makes us

539
00:22:05,580 --> 00:22:04,120
able to get this this genuine experience

540
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:05,590
of someone coming in off the street

541
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:07,330
without them knowing we're reporters and

542
00:22:13,019 --> 00:22:09,970
putting on the spin so ok how would we

543
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:13,029
keep that intact oh I got the interval

544
00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:15,370
would play you on the TV show so who

545
00:22:19,289 --> 00:22:17,529
would play Ross and Carrie on the on the

546
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:19,299
TV show it would be like Charlie's

547
00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:21,250
Angels except with the two of you and

548
00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:24,460
and yet anyway ok so you're starting to

549
00:22:28,019 --> 00:22:26,529
get to where I always get to which is if

550
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:28,029
it were a show I would want it to be an

551
00:22:33,299 --> 00:22:30,250
animated show Oh amen

552
00:22:34,590 --> 00:22:33,309
yeah because then I think you could show

553
00:22:36,269 --> 00:22:34,600
the things that where we're calling and

554
00:22:38,250 --> 00:22:36,279
sometimes we get very imaginative and

555
00:22:40,019 --> 00:22:38,260
use a lot of silly analogies and things

556
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:40,029
and I think that could be really fun if

557
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:42,490
it were a scripted live-action who would

558
00:22:49,049 --> 00:22:45,970
I want to play me ah she's a bit older

559
00:22:51,779 --> 00:22:49,059
than I am but I love Toni Collette and I

560
00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:51,789
think she has a similar energy to me so

561
00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:54,190
maybe I'd pick her I'm thinking Zelda

562
00:22:57,899 --> 00:22:56,529
from Dobie Gillis the intense woman who

563
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,909
was really smarter than everyone else

564
00:23:01,500 --> 00:22:59,200
and they wouldn't give the Jew to her

565
00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:01,510
Eric and Zelda oh okay okay good and

566
00:23:06,930 --> 00:23:02,769
then for Ross I mean it would have to be

567
00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:06,940
David Duchovny obviously oh so we're

568
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:08,710
picking two people who are 15 years our

569
00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:10,330
senior but still I'm picking them you've

570
00:23:16,649 --> 00:23:11,700
been to one of his gigs

571
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:16,659
David Duchovny he sings he has done -

572
00:23:20,850 --> 00:23:19,210
singing tours of Australia and I've

573
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,860
spoken to everybody and everybody's in

574
00:23:25,139 --> 00:23:23,200
in for the the VIP experience in

575
00:23:26,519 --> 00:23:25,149
everyone's game uh-huh yeah he was great

576
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:26,529
he got to see all that singing the show

577
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:27,280
wasn't a great but him

578
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:30,610
twenty-eight spoke and it was great well

579
00:23:35,970 --> 00:23:33,490
Ross looks nearly the spitting image of

580
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:35,980
the company he sees a tiny David Duke

581
00:23:41,490 --> 00:23:37,810
company because the Ross is five four i

582
00:23:44,490 --> 00:23:41,500
believe but yeah no I mean and now that

583
00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:44,500
Ross is entering his mid-30s and that

584
00:23:47,550 --> 00:23:45,550
was sort of the height of David

585
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:47,560
Duchovny's career oh my goodness

586
00:23:53,310 --> 00:23:50,410
everyone who meets him is like look like

587
00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:53,320
yes spitting image Oh carry puppets been

588
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,670
great chatting - now where can people

589
00:23:57,450 --> 00:23:56,080
interact with you and maybe give some

590
00:24:01,200 --> 00:23:57,460
comments on what you're up to

591
00:24:03,570 --> 00:24:01,210
oh sure yeah so our Facebook pages is

592
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:03,580
very active so that's at facebook.com

593
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:07,690
slash on rack onr AC and then we're also

594
00:24:12,330 --> 00:24:09,610
on Twitter at oh no podcast and I'm on

595
00:24:14,430 --> 00:24:12,340
Twitter at Carey poppy yes not Carrie

596
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:14,440
poppy that's someone with an egg for an

597
00:24:17,850 --> 00:24:16,330
icon Carrie poppy thank you for us for

598
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:17,860
visiting us here in Australia and enjoy

599
00:24:25,230 --> 00:24:20,320
the rest of the show I think you just

600
00:24:26,910 --> 00:24:25,240
got why the tight back it's worked it's

601
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:26,920
worked all those years of sewing the

602
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623
00:26:11,850 --> 00:26:10,390
well it's all happening here at skeptics

624
00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:11,860
in the pub the last skeptics in the pub

625
00:26:15,779 --> 00:26:13,150
for 2018

626
00:26:17,580 --> 00:26:15,789
I'm here with Trish from the committee

627
00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:17,590
and Trish of course you've got a

628
00:26:22,890 --> 00:26:20,830
semi-regular segment on the sceptic zone

629
00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:22,900
these days yeah it'll be more regular

630
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,630
when I get rid of this cold to be honest

631
00:26:29,070 --> 00:26:26,799
look forward to hearing it Jessica

632
00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:29,080
hazard white hello hello Richard it's

633
00:26:33,390 --> 00:26:30,190
good to see you

634
00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:33,400
thank you very much me too I'll be glad

635
00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:35,710
when I'm over my for whatever it is so

636
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,870
you making an interesting point just now

637
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:40,000
Trish for those people listening around

638
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:43,330
the world yesterday here in Australia a

639
00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:48,159
man was taken into custody today he's

640
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:50,169
been shot was he charged yesterday or

641
00:26:56,370 --> 00:26:52,450
today okay charged with the murder which

642
00:26:58,340 --> 00:26:56,380
is 37 years old right and he's his

643
00:27:01,500 --> 00:26:58,350
name's Chris Dawson and this came about

644
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:01,510
partly because of a podcast called the

645
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:03,370
teacher's pet which is now infamous

646
00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:07,570
podcast which went through hours and

647
00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:09,070
hours and hours of evidence and

648
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:11,860
interviews and stuff and was probably

649
00:27:15,330 --> 00:27:13,210
one of the reasons that police were

650
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:15,340
prompted to read investigate wherever

651
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:17,110
and you've made a very interesting

652
00:27:21,659 --> 00:27:19,690
comment well I just think like what

653
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:21,669
other social issues are there out there

654
00:27:25,470 --> 00:27:23,530
that we could solve with a podcast so

655
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:25,480
podcasts are kind of they are the new

656
00:27:29,070 --> 00:27:27,250
radio you know you can listen to them on

657
00:27:30,539 --> 00:27:29,080
your own time and this podcast in

658
00:27:31,860 --> 00:27:30,549
particularly like it had an

659
00:27:33,539 --> 00:27:31,870
international following and it was

660
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:33,549
arguably the public pressure from that

661
00:27:37,049 --> 00:27:35,650
podcast which led to maybe the police

662
00:27:39,210 --> 00:27:37,059
actually getting their act together this

663
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:39,220
time because I think everyone would

664
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:40,809
admit the police really dropped the ball

665
00:27:43,140 --> 00:27:41,440
on this one

666
00:27:44,610 --> 00:27:43,150
several times so I was thinking like

667
00:27:46,289 --> 00:27:44,620
what other social issues are there that

668
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:46,299
we could maybe attack with a podcast and

669
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,850
there's so many to think of it's a very

670
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:50,559
good point because there are other

671
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:52,809
podcasts especially from the States

672
00:27:59,250 --> 00:27:56,710
which involve cold cases right all

673
00:28:02,399 --> 00:27:59,260
murders and missing people and and

674
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:02,409
people they investigate them and so

675
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:04,000
you're thinking well what other issues

676
00:28:09,539 --> 00:28:06,490
out there could podcasts address in

677
00:28:10,980 --> 00:28:09,549
detail well so there's a few podcasts

678
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:10,990
out there as well that go into not only

679
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:13,210
cold cases but missing people so what

680
00:28:15,899 --> 00:28:14,710
they'll do is they will

681
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,909
and episode we'll take a particular

682
00:28:18,299 --> 00:28:17,440
missing person they'll describe them

683
00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:18,309
they'll talk about their last known

684
00:28:21,899 --> 00:28:20,200
whereabouts they'll put a picture up on

685
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:21,909
their website people to look at now what

686
00:28:24,750 --> 00:28:22,690
if you could have something like that

687
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:24,760
here maybe for you there's been

688
00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:25,809
obviously a lot of issues with

689
00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:27,700
indigenous people who just don't get you

690
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:29,740
cared about enough so they will go

691
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:30,850
missing and there'll be hardly any

692
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:32,710
effort put into finding them same as

693
00:28:35,639 --> 00:28:33,850
when it comes to things like deaths in

694
00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:35,649
custody that kind of stuff if you had

695
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:38,200
enough interest which arguably you would

696
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:39,520
get if you had a podcast or something

697
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,289
like that then maybe there'd be more

698
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:43,120
effort put into investigating them if if

699
00:28:47,070 --> 00:28:44,770
people I'm always under the impression

700
00:28:49,710 --> 00:28:47,080
and maybe it's my naive self but if

701
00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:49,720
people knew more they care more yeah

702
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:51,940
well I listened to this whole series

703
00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:54,130
myself the teachers bed and I'll tell

704
00:28:58,620 --> 00:28:56,470
you why because on one episode they

705
00:29:01,500 --> 00:28:58,630
played in a long interview with a

706
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:01,510
psychic and that's what sucked me into

707
00:29:05,399 --> 00:29:03,640
the whole series and I'm glad they did

708
00:29:08,010 --> 00:29:05,409
because it's given me a lot of material

709
00:29:09,659 --> 00:29:08,020
to work from actually I've been able to

710
00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:09,669
investigate this so-called psychic a lot

711
00:29:13,049 --> 00:29:11,980
more and what about your podcast

712
00:29:15,450 --> 00:29:13,059
listening habits

713
00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:15,460
Jessica Hazzard wide so as I've been

714
00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:16,630
thinking about it as you guys have been

715
00:29:19,769 --> 00:29:17,980
sitting here talking and I've had an

716
00:29:21,899 --> 00:29:19,779
idea of the podcast that I would love to

717
00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:21,909
listen to and it may already exist and

718
00:29:24,779 --> 00:29:23,260
if anyone knows it's something like this

719
00:29:27,450 --> 00:29:24,789
since then Richard Andy melts and he can

720
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:27,460
tell me but as a as the almost

721
00:29:31,169 --> 00:29:29,049
psychologist I

722
00:29:32,669 --> 00:29:31,179
I would love a podcast there was people

723
00:29:34,409 --> 00:29:32,679
just talking about their mental health

724
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:34,419
stories because I just love to hear that

725
00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:36,250
where every episode you would have a

726
00:29:39,539 --> 00:29:38,020
different person talking talking about

727
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:39,549
their experience of mental illness

728
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:42,010
mental health things that work for them

729
00:29:45,630 --> 00:29:44,110
what didn't work I would love to hear

730
00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:45,640
that maybe that already exists maybe

731
00:29:49,409 --> 00:29:46,750
someone else has come up with this

732
00:29:51,419 --> 00:29:49,419
awesome idea but I think I don't know if

733
00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:51,429
that would want to solve a problem in

734
00:29:56,460 --> 00:29:53,980
society I guess I guess it would help a

735
00:29:58,799 --> 00:29:56,470
lot of people learn more about I guess

736
00:30:00,090 --> 00:29:58,809
diverse experiences of mental illness

737
00:30:02,909 --> 00:30:00,100
that it's not the same for any two

738
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:02,919
people and I just love whenever I get a

739
00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:05,289
glimpse into someone's inner life like

740
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:07,990
that so the other thing you like an

741
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:10,720
interview sort of style into doing

742
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,770
people yes

743
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:13,360
yeah I would love that someone should do

744
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:14,710
that I would listen to even if I'm the

745
00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:17,290
only listener they should do it I

746
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:18,580
wouldn't be surprised if there's

747
00:30:21,540 --> 00:30:20,290
something else there's something like

748
00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:21,550
that out there but it's a very good idea

749
00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:23,260
I think that's a great idea

750
00:30:28,290 --> 00:30:25,300
and it's interesting you saying before

751
00:30:30,210 --> 00:30:28,300
this podcast is the new radio but more

752
00:30:31,710 --> 00:30:30,220
than that this radio on demand and you

753
00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:31,720
can listen to them easily again and

754
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:34,990
again and it seems to this pod

755
00:30:40,290 --> 00:30:36,850
particular podcasts the teacher's pet

756
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:40,300
may have brought us a result and the

757
00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:42,010
thing is even if it hasn't what it's

758
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:43,990
done is it's kind of engaged a community

759
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:46,240
so there was it those of a Morial walk

760
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:48,310
on let Dawson's birthday on it or what

761
00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:49,930
have been like her 70th birthday weekend

762
00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:53,590
and like 400 of people turned up and and

763
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:55,510
memorialized her which is amazing and

764
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:57,130
they're people I guarantee you there

765
00:31:00,000 --> 00:30:58,450
were not all her friends like these

766
00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:00,010
eleven people who heard the podcast and

767
00:31:03,270 --> 00:31:02,350
went this is a cause I care about I

768
00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:03,280
think that the thing is it's getting

769
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:05,080
people kind of more engaged in their

770
00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:08,290
communities as well so local radio is

771
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:09,940
great because local radio you know will

772
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:11,890
cover local issues but if you don't

773
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:13,510
commute in a car you're not going to be

774
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:14,650
this thing to it or if you don't have a

775
00:31:17,790 --> 00:31:16,210
radio at work you won't hear it but

776
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:17,800
podcasts you can listen to them whenever

777
00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:19,150
you want so I can listen to in the

778
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,200
middle of a night shift do you know I

779
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:22,000
can assist them whenever I feel like and

780
00:31:25,530 --> 00:31:23,710
you can catch up on things and as long

781
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:25,540
as you're not too far behind but even

782
00:31:28,650 --> 00:31:26,710
then you know they're almost like a time

783
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:28,660
capsule so you can go back and listen to

784
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:30,190
one from years ago which I love doing

785
00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:32,170
like you know if you get introduced up a

786
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:33,670
new podcast so you listen to like one of

787
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:35,110
the first episodes and then we talk to

788
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:36,640
you about something happening in 2014

789
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:40,090
and you're like so you know that they're

790
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:41,710
just a fantastic medium for

791
00:31:44,730 --> 00:31:43,090
communication and I think as well

792
00:31:47,790 --> 00:31:44,740
they're a really good insight into the

793
00:31:48,690 --> 00:31:47,800
trends of the day of the day so like

794
00:31:50,490 --> 00:31:48,700
what Jessica was just saying about

795
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:50,500
psychology there are so many podcasts

796
00:31:53,610 --> 00:31:52,000
out there that about other things but

797
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,620
the hosts will talk about their own

798
00:31:57,420 --> 00:31:55,360
mental health issues and it's amazing

799
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,430
because they normalize it they make it

800
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,440
like no that's fine you're allowed to be

801
00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:01,360
you know mentally unwell

802
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:03,070
you know as long as you acknowledge it

803
00:32:05,910 --> 00:32:04,450
and you know you've come to terms with

804
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:05,920
the fact that it is a real thing and

805
00:32:09,390 --> 00:32:07,510
they just talk about it like it's you

806
00:32:11,910 --> 00:32:09,400
know oh I bought a new pen today it's

807
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:11,920
the same same kind of just talk about it

808
00:32:14,289 --> 00:32:13,210
as if it's totally normal because it is

809
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:14,299
normal

810
00:32:22,259 --> 00:32:17,089
now folks the power of podcasting will

811
00:32:27,459 --> 00:32:25,119
and we have a new skeptic in the pub

812
00:32:29,769 --> 00:32:27,469
first time here in Sydney it's hello who

813
00:32:32,379 --> 00:32:29,779
we have here my name is Roland I'm from

814
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:32,389
the UK and I live in Seoul most of the

815
00:32:37,389 --> 00:32:35,089
time that's an odd an odd situation how

816
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:37,399
did that come about I moved to Seoul

817
00:32:42,249 --> 00:32:39,769
about 10 years ago to teach English and

818
00:32:45,339 --> 00:32:42,259
I lived in Russia for a couple years but

819
00:32:47,859 --> 00:32:45,349
mostly I live in Seoul I enjoy teaching

820
00:32:50,619 --> 00:32:47,869
there and you're just telling me that

821
00:32:53,469 --> 00:32:50,629
you like to listen to the odd skeptical

822
00:32:56,699 --> 00:32:53,479
podcast I do I started listening to

823
00:32:59,379 --> 00:32:56,709
podcast about six years ago I think and

824
00:33:03,430 --> 00:32:59,389
one that stood out was the skeptics

825
00:33:05,229 --> 00:33:03,440
guide to the universe and I feel like it

826
00:33:07,089 --> 00:33:05,239
was something that really fitted me and

827
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:07,099
then I just looked for other skeptic

828
00:33:11,709 --> 00:33:08,809
material so about skeptics with Luke a

829
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:11,719
skeptic zone and I've been listening for

830
00:33:17,379 --> 00:33:14,570
what six years now and I wanted to go to

831
00:33:20,049 --> 00:33:17,389
QED I couldn't I wanted to go to various

832
00:33:21,639 --> 00:33:20,059
other things but just the way it worked

833
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:21,649
out every British dream you know is

834
00:33:28,810 --> 00:33:25,369
coming to a Sydney to Australia so I was

835
00:33:32,469 --> 00:33:28,820
really happy to come and to make this

836
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:32,479
meeting part of my trip very pleased

837
00:33:36,579 --> 00:33:35,450
very busy did that and listening to the

838
00:33:39,099 --> 00:33:36,589
skeptics and for a while

839
00:33:41,229 --> 00:33:39,109
normally may not hear at skeptics in the

840
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:41,239
pub we can't make it tonight so I sort

841
00:33:49,449 --> 00:33:44,320
of take over doing his job and tonight

842
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,459
we're asking people what other topics do

843
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:52,159
you think podcast should cover what what

844
00:33:57,999 --> 00:33:55,129
topics would would you like podcast to

845
00:34:03,129 --> 00:33:58,009
cover in terms of skeptics podcasts

846
00:34:05,979 --> 00:34:03,139
possibly my majors theology and there is

847
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:05,989
a slight kind of misconception I think

848
00:34:10,889 --> 00:34:08,089
that when people study theology they get

849
00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:10,899
indoctrination which is true sometimes

850
00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:13,730
but in my case it actually led me to

851
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:15,070
skepticism

852
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:18,560
especially partly as I did some

853
00:34:23,860 --> 00:34:20,810
philosophy philosophy which is good for

854
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,870
you know critical thinking and I wrote

855
00:34:28,090 --> 00:34:25,520
an essay about God in time and it made

856
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:28,100
me think about physics a lot but the

857
00:34:32,860 --> 00:34:29,929
main thing I had a lecturer in New

858
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:32,870
Testament studies and he laid out the

859
00:34:38,139 --> 00:34:35,210
Gospels Matthew verses mark versus Luke

860
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:38,149
was the same most different and rather

861
00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:39,919
than try to harmonize everything he said

862
00:34:44,139 --> 00:34:42,409
let them speak for themselves and it led

863
00:34:49,570 --> 00:34:44,149
me to just kind of be a more open-minded

864
00:34:52,570 --> 00:34:49,580
and just kind of accepting I realized

865
00:34:54,730 --> 00:34:52,580
that I didn't know very much before I

866
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:54,740
went I was very suspicious of

867
00:34:58,540 --> 00:34:57,170
scholarship and then I realised that

868
00:35:00,760 --> 00:34:58,550
actually the scholars knew something

869
00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:00,770
that I didn't know something so that

870
00:35:04,570 --> 00:35:02,270
that actually gave me a passion for

871
00:35:11,110 --> 00:35:04,580
scholarship kind of in in my university

872
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:11,120
days so the podcast did geared toward

873
00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:12,410
that sort of topic would interest you

874
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:15,500
obviously I know this one called the

875
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:18,710
skeptics Testament I used to listen to

876
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:21,410
that something that's in the back of my

877
00:35:25,930 --> 00:35:23,510
head I'm not really the most able to do

878
00:35:29,170 --> 00:35:25,940
it but I think some kind of YouTube

879
00:35:32,050 --> 00:35:29,180
channel where someone could just explain

880
00:35:34,030 --> 00:35:32,060
the really basics of critical biblical

881
00:35:35,740 --> 00:35:34,040
scholarship would be a very good thing

882
00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:35,750
that might be something I should do

883
00:35:40,420 --> 00:35:38,780
myself but but I think I have a very

884
00:35:45,420 --> 00:35:40,430
boring voice so maybe I shouldn't do it

885
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:45,430
myself but advice I had years ago is

886
00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:50,000
content is king which means that you

887
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:51,740
don't have a boring boy's voice of

888
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:55,430
course but the the idea is that or were

889
00:36:00,010 --> 00:35:58,130
not even produced well or a film not

890
00:36:01,420 --> 00:36:00,020
produced well if the content is

891
00:36:04,030 --> 00:36:01,430
interesting that's more important than

892
00:36:06,670 --> 00:36:04,040
the quality but something to remember of

893
00:36:08,860 --> 00:36:06,680
course you're right but I think skeptics

894
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:08,870
appreciate more that more than maybe the

895
00:36:12,970 --> 00:36:10,910
general public maybe you're right

896
00:36:14,350 --> 00:36:12,980
maybe you're right too well look thank

897
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,360
you very much for coming along tonight

898
00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:16,079
lovely to meet you

899
00:36:20,539 --> 00:36:18,390
I know skeptics in the pub were held all

900
00:36:22,459 --> 00:36:20,549
around the world than folks it's always

901
00:36:24,259 --> 00:36:22,469
worth the hustling won out and I hope

902
00:36:29,299 --> 00:36:24,269
you've had a good time tonight thank you

903
00:36:32,449 --> 00:36:29,309
very much it's a pleasure to meet you we

904
00:36:34,429 --> 00:36:32,459
have another first time pub comer goer

905
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:34,439
first time we have another first time

906
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:36,089
person at the pub tonight who do we have

907
00:36:38,779 --> 00:36:36,689
here

908
00:36:40,969 --> 00:36:38,789
my name is Gavin and this is my first

909
00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:40,979
skeptics in the pub where you're telling

910
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:42,839
me that we've met before some years ago

911
00:36:47,959 --> 00:36:44,910
when Pamela gay was here that's right

912
00:36:51,019 --> 00:36:47,969
yes I I think I've been listening to

913
00:36:52,459 --> 00:36:51,029
various skeptical podcasts including the

914
00:36:54,229 --> 00:36:52,469
skeptics home for a number of years and

915
00:36:59,269 --> 00:36:54,239
I saw this particular didn't come up

916
00:37:00,529 --> 00:36:59,279
with Pamela gay I was also was with

917
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:00,539
Fraser Cain

918
00:37:04,939 --> 00:37:03,089
oh you mean astronomy come I mean

919
00:37:06,289 --> 00:37:04,949
astronomy cast and I I knew she was

920
00:37:08,329 --> 00:37:06,299
coming out and I was enjoying the

921
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:08,339
podcast so I thought I'd come along and

922
00:37:12,739 --> 00:37:10,890
maybe made a few folks and it was a

923
00:37:15,289 --> 00:37:12,749
great night actually I really enjoyed it

924
00:37:17,089 --> 00:37:15,299
well yeah we try to have somebody every

925
00:37:18,709 --> 00:37:17,099
month give a talk some get from a

926
00:37:21,620 --> 00:37:18,719
different field of science or general

927
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:21,630
interest and sometimes it's about with

928
00:37:24,709 --> 00:37:23,369
the crowd we had tonight sometimes it's

929
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,719
packed to the rafters but I think

930
00:37:30,229 --> 00:37:26,880
generally people have a good time I was

931
00:37:32,419 --> 00:37:30,239
straight I mean Gideon in the talk that

932
00:37:34,699 --> 00:37:32,429
he was doing I'm in pathology which is

933
00:37:37,539 --> 00:37:34,709
blood testing so a little bit of line to

934
00:37:40,189 --> 00:37:37,549
what he's talking about and certainly

935
00:37:42,620 --> 00:37:40,199
the power of those statistics and

936
00:37:44,809 --> 00:37:42,630
understanding statistics is very

937
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:44,819
important I think and it's a poorly

938
00:37:49,459 --> 00:37:47,369
understood area I think of Public Health

939
00:37:51,289 --> 00:37:49,469
I think you're right I certainly learned

940
00:37:52,789 --> 00:37:51,299
something tonight which is one of the

941
00:37:55,219 --> 00:37:52,799
reasons I like skeptics in the pub

942
00:37:58,309 --> 00:37:55,229
because I come along and I enjoy the the

943
00:37:59,390 --> 00:37:58,319
talk sweet we give actually y'all it's

944
00:38:00,949 --> 00:37:59,400
nice to be here in person because

945
00:38:03,229 --> 00:38:00,959
typically I only learn about what

946
00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:03,239
happens here through interviews like

947
00:38:06,979 --> 00:38:06,630
this in the podcast so it's nice to be

948
00:38:08,989 --> 00:38:06,989
here

949
00:38:10,669 --> 00:38:08,999
and we only do miss Maynard who can't be

950
00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:10,679
here tonight and there's flash little

951
00:38:14,539 --> 00:38:12,390
suit is he always wear a suit when it

952
00:38:16,579 --> 00:38:14,549
comes to ah he's sharp every time he

953
00:38:17,980 --> 00:38:16,589
comes here he's looking pretty sharp you

954
00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:17,990
know

955
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:21,180
we got nods over here yeah we do

956
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:23,010
actually I was went to the power house

957
00:38:27,319 --> 00:38:24,839
one time not so long ago with my kids

958
00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:27,329
and you were doing the other mystery

959
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:30,060
investigators show me it may not yes you

960
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:32,280
were there and we saw the all the

961
00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:36,480
different spoon bending and dowsing and

962
00:38:40,690 --> 00:38:39,540
I think there was a bit of nails in the

963
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:40,700
trombone

964
00:38:46,579 --> 00:38:44,730
why he's standing on my back while I'm

965
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:46,589
lying on a bed of nails you see yes okay

966
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:48,060
more nods okay

967
00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:49,770
well great look thanks for coming along

968
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:51,660
tonight hope you come back again I

969
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:52,770
certainly hope so

970
00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:56,700
okay it's Jessica singer now Jessica you

971
00:39:01,849 --> 00:38:59,400
are largely responsible for getting the

972
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,859
talent for the skeptics in the pub

973
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:03,599
tonight we had a very interesting talk

974
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:08,400
about epidemiology what gazing into the

975
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:12,210
crystal ball what's coming up well I'm

976
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:15,510
currently putting out feelers and

977
00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:18,359
sending out emails to potential speakers

978
00:39:26,059 --> 00:39:22,619
for next year so no promises yet because

979
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:26,069
I don't have anything specific and I

980
00:39:32,329 --> 00:39:28,920
want to keep it a surprise anyway hahaha

981
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:32,339
but next month well being January a lot

982
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:36,000
of people are always so as we say we

983
00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:39,930
don't have a speaker in January because

984
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:44,339
I don't want to invite someone and have

985
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:46,200
a smaller crowd for them I don't think

986
00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:48,569
it's fair so what we're going to do in

987
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:50,520
January is probably have a casual

988
00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:54,480
informal open mic night and skeptics

989
00:40:02,510 --> 00:39:57,300
well we're an opinionated nobili

990
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:02,520
yeah so people can just get up talk

991
00:40:07,309 --> 00:40:04,710
about what interests them and maybe

992
00:40:08,530 --> 00:40:07,319
we'll get some good ideas for topics and

993
00:40:11,020 --> 00:40:08,540
speakers out of that

994
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:11,030
that's a good idea so January skeptics

995
00:40:16,270 --> 00:40:13,250
in the pub here in Sydney I don't think

996
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:16,280
the date said is it well the first

997
00:40:21,790 --> 00:40:18,710
Thursday of the month is the third of

998
00:40:26,260 --> 00:40:21,800
January but we'll probably all still be

999
00:40:29,170 --> 00:40:26,270
recovering from our our exertions of New

1000
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:29,180
Year's Eve and so we're thinking that

1001
00:40:34,030 --> 00:40:31,130
we'll probably move it to the following

1002
00:40:35,620 --> 00:40:34,040
Thursday which is the 10th but keep keep

1003
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:35,630
an eye on our meetup group and we'll

1004
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,490
announce it now I'll let you know folks

1005
00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:39,920
when we no closer to the time open mic

1006
00:40:46,030 --> 00:40:44,060
night but we have always a good year to

1007
00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:46,040
look forward to and 2019 I think here at

1008
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:48,020
skeptics in the pub oh yes I've got a

1009
00:40:57,370 --> 00:41:04,520
[Music]

1010
00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:06,960
now here's some information from our

1011
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:08,950
friends down in Victoria in the Mordy

1012
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:12,850
Alex skeptics Morty skeptics announced

1013
00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:17,710
their second annual trivia night now

1014
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,470
this will be from 7:15 p.m. on Tuesday

1015
00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:23,200
the 11th of December at the Maury attic

1016
00:41:27,870 --> 00:41:26,230
sporting club Maudie Alec Victoria entry

1017
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:27,880
is only four dollars and there are

1018
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:33,310
prizes for all and I can speak from

1019
00:41:37,350 --> 00:41:35,050
experience to say what a wonderful group

1020
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:37,360
the Mordy alex skeptics are I've spoken

1021
00:41:42,090 --> 00:41:39,070
down there a number of years ago and

1022
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:42,100
what fun it is to be involved in a

1023
00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:44,890
skeptical trivia night so that's trivia

1024
00:41:50,850 --> 00:41:47,350
in Victoria at the Maudie Alec skeptics

1025
00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:50,860
in the pub 7:15 p.m. on Tuesday the 11th

1026
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:53,620
of December and for more details check

1027
00:42:00,830 --> 00:41:56,770
their meetup site link in this week's

1028
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:09,520
[Music]

1029
00:42:23,870 --> 00:42:13,520
it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

1030
00:42:25,450 --> 00:42:23,880
Robertson hello everyone this is Heidi

1031
00:42:28,940 --> 00:42:25,460
Robertson from the Northern Rivers

1032
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:28,950
vaccinations supporters firstly before I

1033
00:42:37,340 --> 00:42:31,530
start the report just to remind

1034
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:37,350
listeners about the no jab no pay and no

1035
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:41,640
job no play policies which are now in

1036
00:42:47,980 --> 00:42:44,880
effect in Australia both campaigns or

1037
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:47,990
both policies started with a campaign

1038
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:52,050
from The Daily Telegraph and in

1039
00:42:56,780 --> 00:42:54,930
particular Jane Hansen from The Daily

1040
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:56,790
Telegraph who listeners might remember

1041
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:00,720
won a sceptical journalism award at this

1042
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:04,250
year's convention so the Daily Telegraph

1043
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:07,260
started these campaigns to urge the

1044
00:43:14,510 --> 00:43:10,020
federal and state governments to crack

1045
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:14,520
down on vaccination rules and

1046
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:17,640
requirements surrounding kids entering

1047
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:20,490
into preschool and childcare facilities

1048
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:25,170
and also the payments that families used

1049
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:28,890
to receive or still receive for keeping

1050
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:31,160
up to date with their children's

1051
00:43:42,730 --> 00:43:36,240
vaccinations so as of the 1st of July

1052
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:42,740
this year 2018 the government brought in

1053
00:43:49,220 --> 00:43:45,660
another part of their no job no pay

1054
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:49,230
which meant that instead of parents

1055
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:51,770
whose children were not fully vaccinated

1056
00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:54,930
they used they were losing their end of

1057
00:43:58,850 --> 00:43:57,540
year supplement worth about seven

1058
00:44:01,940 --> 00:43:58,860
hundred and thirty seven dollars per

1059
00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:01,950
child they're still losing the same

1060
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:03,990
amount of money per child but they're

1061
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:05,970
now losing it at the rate of twenty

1062
00:44:12,260 --> 00:44:08,130
eight dollars per fortnight so it's more

1063
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:12,270
of a constant reminder as the Minister

1064
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:15,130
for Social Services has

1065
00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:18,850
said so that's come in as of the 1st of

1066
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:22,420
July 2018 that that constant reminders

1067
00:44:28,860 --> 00:44:25,930
happening and just today the 6th of

1068
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:28,870
December 2018 the National Center for

1069
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:32,010
immunization research and surveillance

1070
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:35,640
has come out with a media release

1071
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:41,890
entitled release of NCI RS 2017

1072
00:44:47,070 --> 00:44:44,250
immunization coverage report and

1073
00:44:50,820 --> 00:44:47,080
Australian immunization registered data

1074
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:50,830
transfer study report so this is just

1075
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:53,110
looking at the vaccination rates overall

1076
00:45:00,030 --> 00:44:55,570
in Australia and it's interesting in

1077
00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:00,040
particular how the policies of no job no

1078
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:02,920
pay and no job no play seemed to be

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having a really positive effect which is

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good so I would like to just read out

1081
00:45:16,650 --> 00:45:14,470
this media release and here we go to new

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00:45:19,290 --> 00:45:16,660
reports released by the National Center

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00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:19,300
for immunization research and

1084
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,810
surveillance NCI RS shine a bright new

1085
00:45:28,530 --> 00:45:24,880
light on immunization coverage in

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00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:28,540
Australia detailed analysis in the NCI

1087
00:45:35,250 --> 00:45:32,530
RS 2017 immunization coverage report

1088
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:35,260
shows that vaccine coverage in Australia

1089
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is climbing to new highs the proportion

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of children fully immunized in Australia

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00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:46,590
reached 90 4.5% at 16 months of age and

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90 3.8% at 12 months of age in December

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00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:55,630
2017 the proportion of Aboriginal and

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00:46:00,330 --> 00:45:57,730
Torres Strait Islander children fully

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immunized also reached the highest ever

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00:46:12,090 --> 00:46:05,830
recorded levels of 96.9% at 60 months of

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age and 93.2% at 12 months of age levels

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of on-time vaccination within 30 days of

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recommended age increased for all

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children in 2017

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although delayed vaccination remained

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higher among Aboriginal and Torres

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Strait Islander children

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nc IRS also found that in 2017 more than

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20,000 adolescents aged 10 to 19 years

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caught up on their second dose of

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measles mumps rubella or the MMR vaccine

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00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:46,870
a much higher proportion of overdue

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00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:48,570
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander

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00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:51,070
adolescents got this dose than

1111
00:46:58,770 --> 00:46:54,970
non-indigenous adolescents 20.3% verses

1112
00:47:01,200 --> 00:46:58,780
six point four percent quote this

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00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:01,210
catch-up vaccination activity is very

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00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:03,610
important while Australia has eliminated

1115
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:06,880
local measles transmission outbreaks

1116
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:09,520
related to infected overseas travelers

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00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:12,250
continued and we need high coverage to

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00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,730
prevent these spreading end quote said

1119
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:18,160
dr. Frank beard public health physician

1120
00:47:25,620 --> 00:47:22,630
at NCI RS quote many of these catch-up

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00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:25,630
doses given are likely a result of the

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00:47:31,710 --> 00:47:28,570
Australian Government's no jab no pay

1123
00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:31,720
policy and associated efforts to support

1124
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:34,420
vaccination delivery at the coalface end

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00:47:41,610 --> 00:47:38,770
quote summary data released by Health

1126
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:41,620
Minister the Honorable Greg Hunt earlier

1127
00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:44,110
this year confirmed that this upward

1128
00:47:51,450 --> 00:47:48,550
trend has continued into 2018 so

1129
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:51,460
national averages are going up there's

1130
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:53,290
no doubt about that but what is

1131
00:47:59,130 --> 00:47:55,690
happening in the Northern Rivers well

1132
00:48:02,690 --> 00:47:59,140
from what we do have we do we are seeing

1133
00:48:07,730 --> 00:48:02,700
a slow but steady increase in

1134
00:48:12,030 --> 00:48:07,740
vaccination rates even in our very low

1135
00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:12,040
area of vaccination coverage so it would

1136
00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:16,990
appear that perhaps the no jab no play

1137
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,470
and no jab no pay policies are having a

1138
00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:23,520
positive effect we'll keep you updated

1139
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:26,350
but for now this has been Heidi

1140
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:28,920
Robertson from the Northern Rivers

1141
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:54,609
[Music]

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00:48:59,380 --> 00:48:56,690
this is Kyle from the data skeptic

1143
00:49:01,749 --> 00:48:59,390
podcast if you're curious about the way

1144
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:01,759
data is changing our world topics like

1145
00:49:06,789 --> 00:49:04,249
AI and all this craziness with Facebook

1146
00:49:08,589 --> 00:49:06,799
and BOTS and the Twitter storm and how

1147
00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:08,599
the algorithms that underline that work

1148
00:49:12,249 --> 00:49:10,670
and you don't want a technical deep dive

1149
00:49:13,660 --> 00:49:12,259
you want it you know in the vernacular

1150
00:49:15,370 --> 00:49:13,670
in a way that people can understand

1151
00:49:17,319 --> 00:49:15,380
check us out at data skeptic that's what

1152
00:49:19,299 --> 00:49:17,329
we try and do I interview advanced

1153
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:19,309
professionals in the field who do this

1154
00:49:25,660 --> 00:49:21,049
sort of research and then I get into

1155
00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:25,670
interesting projects as well we're a

1156
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:27,470
weekly show and you can try this data

1157
00:49:45,980 --> 00:49:28,500
skeptic calm

1158
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:48,120
[Music]

1159
00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:51,490
every year in Australia about this time

1160
00:49:59,010 --> 00:49:55,420
about mid-december we come to what is

1161
00:50:00,830 --> 00:49:59,020
known as the silly season that is the

1162
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:00,840
politicians have all gone home

1163
00:50:07,350 --> 00:50:04,450
Parliament is in recess though days are

1164
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:07,360
getting warmer and Craig appears on the

1165
00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:16,240
TV things sort of slow down a bit and it

1166
00:50:22,650 --> 00:50:18,760
seems to be an excuse for news outlets

1167
00:50:26,820 --> 00:50:22,660
to run silly stories hence the term the

1168
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:26,830
city season and I notice surfing around

1169
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:30,880
at news.com today you a story credited

1170
00:50:40,290 --> 00:50:37,090
to a staff writer wake mystic Frank

1171
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:40,300
Hoover beats warns cosmic event could

1172
00:50:47,370 --> 00:50:44,640
trigger mega earthquake over Christmas a

1173
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:47,380
self-proclaimed mystic with a global

1174
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:49,980
cult following claims a rare planetary

1175
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:52,450
alignment could trigger a mega quake

1176
00:50:57,720 --> 00:50:56,410
over the festive season I don't know why

1177
00:51:01,110 --> 00:50:57,730
so many people are obsessed with

1178
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:01,120
planetary alignments if you get the

1179
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:03,910
right software and you look down upon

1180
00:51:12,180 --> 00:51:07,890
the solar system from above so to speak

1181
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:12,190
you can make planets line up in many

1182
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:15,730
different ways often a maverick

1183
00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:18,400
earthquake researcher who claims to have

1184
00:51:22,830 --> 00:51:20,200
predicted some of the world's worst

1185
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,840
earthquakes by analysing the geometric

1186
00:51:28,260 --> 00:51:24,880
positions of the Sun Moon and various

1187
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:28,270
planets has issued a dire warning Frank

1188
00:51:34,590 --> 00:51:31,510
hygge beats a Dutch self-described quote

1189
00:51:37,860 --> 00:51:34,600
quake mystic man quote with a worldwide

1190
00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:37,870
cult following says a rare cosmic event

1191
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:39,790
due to take place over the Christmas

1192
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:41,890
period could trigger a mega quake

1193
00:51:46,890 --> 00:51:43,330
measuring up to eight on the Richter

1194
00:51:48,930 --> 00:51:46,900
scale quote a very critical planetary

1195
00:51:52,590 --> 00:51:48,940
configuration on the 21st of December

1196
00:51:55,170 --> 00:51:52,600
2018 is likely going to trigger a large

1197
00:51:58,530 --> 00:51:55,180
earthquake between the 21st of December

1198
00:52:01,020 --> 00:51:58,540
and the 25th of December 2018 and quote

1199
00:52:01,890 --> 00:52:01,030
mr. Hyuga Beatz wrote on his popular

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00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:01,900
died

1201
00:52:08,609 --> 00:52:05,410
website quote current estimation is high

1202
00:52:10,740 --> 00:52:08,619
seven to eight magnitude this is a very

1203
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:10,750
timely warning because many people

1204
00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:12,609
around the world are already planning

1205
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:14,980
their Christmas holidays unquote mr.

1206
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:17,170
Hyuga beats credits himself with having

1207
00:52:22,289 --> 00:52:19,450
forecast some of the world's largest

1208
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:22,299
earthquakes and last month warned the

1209
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:25,690
earth would be hit by a big one in the

1210
00:52:30,809 --> 00:52:28,510
first week of December what's the date

1211
00:52:32,660 --> 00:52:30,819
today well as I record this we're just

1212
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:32,670
still in the first week of December

1213
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:35,920
devotees say that prediction manifests

1214
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:38,710
itself I'll be at a couple of days early

1215
00:52:44,849 --> 00:52:42,089
in the form of the Alaska earthquake

1216
00:52:47,490 --> 00:52:44,859
which hit on the 30th of November and

1217
00:52:49,769 --> 00:52:47,500
caused massive and widespread structural

1218
00:52:53,250 --> 00:52:49,779
damage well there you go

1219
00:52:55,950 --> 00:52:53,260
mr. Huckabee's said that event and the

1220
00:52:59,789 --> 00:52:55,960
Indonesian earthquake before it was the

1221
00:53:04,039 --> 00:52:59,799
result of gravitational pull exerted by

1222
00:53:07,710 --> 00:53:04,049
Venus Uranus Neptune and Mars on earth

1223
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:07,720
with quote seismic unrest in quote

1224
00:53:13,620 --> 00:53:10,630
increasing in the lead-up to the 21st of

1225
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:13,630
December seismologists routinely

1226
00:53:18,450 --> 00:53:15,910
dismisses work as misleading and

1227
00:53:19,859 --> 00:53:18,460
unscientific arguing there is no

1228
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:19,869
accurate method of forecasting

1229
00:53:26,220 --> 00:53:23,410
earthquakes mr. Hyuga beats die Traynham

1230
00:53:29,099 --> 00:53:26,230
Facebook page which features regular

1231
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:29,109
quote quake watch and quote updates has

1232
00:53:34,579 --> 00:53:30,970
seen a surge in popularity in recent

1233
00:53:38,279 --> 00:53:34,589
months amassing close to 20,000 members

1234
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:38,289
day Traynham is described as a nonprofit

1235
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:41,770
organization quote with a primary focus

1236
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:44,730
on seismic activity based on

1237
00:53:50,980 --> 00:53:46,930
electromagnetic disturbance caused by

1238
00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:50,990
planetary geometry man quirt

1239
00:53:55,490 --> 00:53:52,910
[Music]

1240
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:55,500
the link to this article in the

1241
00:54:01,960 --> 00:53:57,690
shownotes if you are curious it does

1242
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:01,970
come with some videos that this man has

1243
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:05,040
produced showing how he works out his

1244
00:54:10,460 --> 00:54:07,650
planetary alignments and so on and so

1245
00:54:12,350 --> 00:54:10,470
forth but again this is a classic of

1246
00:54:14,030 --> 00:54:12,360
this time of the year I wonder if it's

1247
00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:14,040
the same in your part of the world to

1248
00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:18,270
where the news might be slow and editors

1249
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:21,000
have to fill up pages somehow so they

1250
00:54:25,420 --> 00:54:22,980
Scrabble around the internet and find

1251
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:25,430
these weird and wacky and offbeat

1252
00:54:32,330 --> 00:54:28,890
stories well if there's a huge mega

1253
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:32,340
quake around the Christmas time we might

1254
00:54:54,989 --> 00:54:33,410
have to take a second look

1255
00:54:58,779 --> 00:54:57,430
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1256
00:55:01,450 --> 00:54:58,789
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1257
00:55:04,299 --> 00:55:01,460
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1258
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1259
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:06,759
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1260
00:55:12,609 --> 00:55:09,680
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1261
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:12,619
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1262
00:55:17,769 --> 00:55:15,049
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1263
00:55:20,259 --> 00:55:17,779
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1264
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:20,269
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1265
00:55:26,499 --> 00:55:22,249
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1266
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:26,509
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1267
00:55:30,849 --> 00:55:29,569
over may not come today you well I don't

1268
00:55:32,769 --> 00:55:30,859
think there's anything more to say I

1269
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:32,779
better rest my voice because it's not

1270
00:55:36,249 --> 00:55:34,729
completely better almost it's you know

1271
00:55:39,969 --> 00:55:36,259
it's almost completely better but not

1272
00:55:41,650 --> 00:55:39,979
quite mmm as you can hear I'll do that

1273
00:55:42,999 --> 00:55:41,660
I'll rest my voice for next week's show

1274
00:55:45,069 --> 00:55:43,009
but for this week

1275
00:55:51,339 --> 00:55:45,079
this is Richard Saunders signing off

1276
00:55:53,410 --> 00:55:51,349
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1277
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:53,420
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1278
00:56:02,769 --> 00:56:00,319
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1279
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1287
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1288
00:56:28,089 --> 00:56:25,940
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1289
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:28,099
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1290
00:56:32,210 --> 00:56:30,410
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1291
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1292
00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:45,980
[Applause]

1293
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:49,500
okay boys whenever you're ready go here

1294
00:57:00,660 --> 00:56:55,260
okay so we got three 10-sided dice and

1295
00:57:00,990 --> 00:57:00,670
all three of us me Hugo that boy over

1296
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:01,000
there

1297
00:57:10,349 --> 00:57:04,920
Charlie and our mum Heidi Robertson

1298
00:57:12,690 --> 00:57:10,359
we're gonna roll all three dice and we

1299
00:57:14,819 --> 00:57:12,700
want you to predict what number of what

1300
00:57:17,819 --> 00:57:14,829
numbers we get all right you're gonna go

1301
00:57:22,460 --> 00:57:17,829
first yes yep okay go oh let it be

1302
00:57:24,359 --> 00:57:22,470
dropped it drag it go to the number two

1303
00:57:36,020 --> 00:57:24,369
Charlie would you like to go now

1304
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:39,780
five again we've got two five and five

1305
00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:41,890
two five and five did you get all